This conversation is a treasure trove.


This may be the most heart-opening episode I’ve posted to date on the podcast. It’s with one of my favorite authors and teachers. Mark Nepo is someone who I’ve looked up to and learned from for years, and it was an honor to have this conversation with him.

With over a million copies sold, Mark Nepo has moved and inspired readers and seekers all over the world with his #1 New York Times bestseller The Book of Awakening.  Beloved as a poet, teacher, and storyteller, Mark has been called “one of the finest spiritual guides of our time,” “a consummate storyteller,” and “an eloquent spiritual teacher.” His work is widely accessible and used by many and his books have been translated into more than twenty languages.  A bestselling author, he has published twenty-two books and recorded fifteen audio projects.

In this conversation, Mark shares his wisdom about grief, loss, and fear, and joy, love, and contribution. It is rich with gems, and you will be well fed after listening.

“Often our dreams don’t come true, but when we give our all and work toward them, sometimes we come true, and that’s more important.”

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show notes

  • How Mark learned to handle fear through living with cancer (2:50)
  • What a miracle actually is (5:50)
  • The wisdom of a broken open heart (11:23)
  • The power of symbols in our lives (22:45)
  • What not getting what we want teaches us (24:20)
  • How to use grieving as a process of preparation for what we have (33:02)
  • A new way to think of hustling and putting your work out into the world (42:15)

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